you'll see that obama is at $3.4 trillion. when you score this honestly boehner at $3.6 billion and simpson-bowles. >> explain the difference between what you saw in the initial news reports on the boehner plan. keep this chart up, control room. i read $2.2 trillion plan by boehner. you say $3.6 trillion. >> do you want to spend the next -- >> no, i really don't. >> why not? >> so to make it simple, it has to do what you count. the biggest difference is the budget control act. the $900 billion cuts, we budget guys count as part of the package. >> sequestration? >> no, telephones the first deal they did. we count then and then there are interest savings. i think this is the way i like to think about it. apples to apples. >> the third chart. >> the last chart shows you how it breaks down. the obama plan has half from tax increases versus about 20% in the boehner plan. these are philosophical differences. boehner would cut much more. obama's view is we've cut so much from that already we have to be careful how much more we cut. >